I think I've heard somewhere that the experiment was successful, we're not going to die from the black hole.

"Ohh please,we cant die,black holes are dumb movie stuff,never seen in real life space so STFU,were not going to die."

Every word of that sentence screams teenager and an idiot.
1) We can die and quiet easily from anything
2) Blackholes did not origonate from movies
3) What is real life space?....space is space unless you get into dark matter
4) We have seen it in space, a black hole is the absance of light (or so it appears) and we have seen that

I admit I am worried to about what may or may not happen. I am a very learned person and I value knowlege but something are just better not tested. I do not think the gains out weigh the danger. Plus what if the big bang is true? Faith holds to many people together in their fragile lives let them have it. Sigh

sounds to me that you want everyone to die you asshole

The LHC? what is that? Its just the the freaking 9000 time that i read something like this shit!
Get over this, if this dodn't kill us, the global warming will, so chill out!

This is just stypid.
LHC can't cerate such black hole and there is proof everywhere.

Exsample;
Did you know world cerates 300 black hole on earth every day. (You just can't see them)

Man fuck this collider shit. It's now the year 2008 and we're not driving flying cars yet. I'm fucking pissed that more money is going into making a black hole of nothingness then cool flying cars. Seriously? What the fuck scientists. Get your priorities sorted out.

Wow the top video really can effect you.
I thought we were going to be alright and nothing really would happen but...now im not sure
I HATE YOU DZ2001

You're an idiot, it has been proven by hundreds of scientists that it doesn't have the power to destroy the world,you would need the mass of 6 of suns to make a black hole big enough to start sucking in matter, not a small tiny atom. If a black hole does happen, it's going to be what scientists call a "Micro Blackhole", because it's so tiny that you wouldn't even be able to see it with the naked eye or even a semi strong microscope, it would also evaporate in a matter of micro-nano seconds because it's incredible instability.

I'm sorry, but I don't think mankind already has the ability to create a blackhole that will devour the Earth. Maybe micro blackholes (which have been observed in space, and appear and disappear within a matter of a split-nanosecond or even less), but not those which you may hear about eating away at distant stars.

These micro blackholes appear and disappear so fast that they've installed special cameras that capture at a rate of around one million fps. They can't do anything. And it's not like they don't have any information or data on these blackholes; they have observed them out in space; they don't do anything at all.

Stop worrying, please.

Maybe it'll create a black hole that will suck in idiots who respond in anger to this post.

Because the list of risks contain the word "black hole", it doesn't mean it will happen with the percentage of 100%. The percentage for it happening is only one in million or so.

Some things to make u feel safe.
1.) would russia china and north korea alow this knowing that there entire kingdoms could be destroyed allow this, they havent tried yet so they must think its safe.
2.)The LHC is being tested very severyl they have many oervride switches incase the first sighn of a huge amout of pressure inside the tube. the rate the pressure ratings and if theres too much pressure they assume its a black hole and deactivate it.

Also. If there trying to recerate the big Bang... uh wasent the big bang kinda BIG!!!
And diditn the big bang create a black hole in witch all of our universes and suns orbit right now!!!!!!

The Experiment Begins In 8 Days. The Chance Of It Creating A Black Hole Large Enough To Destroy Earth Is Low At Most, The Best We're gonna get is A Tiny One Which Dissapears After a Few Seconds because They Dont Have a Star For it to react with. Anyway, the particles being created are less dangerous than ones which hit our planet every day.

they did the experiment and it worked so we will not die

You worry about this, as do others, but I assume most of you all go to school/work, do household chores such as cooking, and cross busy roads on a day-to-day basis.

It's sort of funny how people get worried over things that have never happened before, such as the LHC being switched on.
People are nowhere near as worried in lightning storms; but I guess that fear of the unknown can do this to a person.

I suppose The Joker in the new Batman movie summed it up pretty well:
"You know what I noticed? Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan'...even if the plan is horrifying."

Ah, good ol' Joker...
Wait, what was I talking about again?

But if we do destroy ourselves...is the universe really losing anything of value?

Okay, seriously. None of the videos you posted here provide any evidence for or against your argument. You even posted some videos twice.

For that matter, the Big Bang itself is nothing more than a theory. It's just a theory that so far has held up to our observations and which we have therefore assumed is fact. And if the Big Bang theory is wrong, then you can't create one, which according to these vids they're not trying to do anyway.

As for the black hole, electromagetism is a force billions of times more powerful than gravity in equivalent proportions. I imagine if we do create a mini black hole, there won't be enough mass from two particles (as opposed to an entire star) for there to be any drastic effects; furthermore, the LHC's EM field alone could probably contain or neutralize whatever effects there are, posibly even destroying a mini black hole at high power levels.

I'm not saying you're wrong or that I'm right, or that you're right and I'm wrong. I'm just trying to bring a little intelligent debate to this discussion so we can take a proper look at what we're dealing with and weigh the risks with as much of an educated mind as we can possibly attain.

The only thing that we know for sure. Is that we know nothing.

I'm not sure but i would say that I'm scared a bit but i don't really care when i'm doin something good best

i'm scared when

doin nothin 60%
hanging out with friends maybe talkin about it 90%
on the toliet 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Well, we COULD die. It's very possible, but there's also a great chance of the experiment succeding without destroying everyone and everything.

Oh shut the hell up, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Everyone and their mother thinks they know more about the LHC than the scientists who staff it.

stop worrying and do some damn research instead of listening to all the hype news articles and sensationalist wackjobs on YouTube.

The odds that this thing will create a black hole is infinitesimally small, and even if those EXTREMELY EXTREMELY LOW ODDS pay out (I'm talking getting struck by lightning twice while winning the lotto jackpot in several states all on the same day) the physics of it mandate that the ABSOLUTELY TINY black hole will either

A) Evaporate into nothingness.
or
B) Be ejected from the earth's gravitational field at near-light speed, being too small to interact with any of the Earth's matter in any significant way.

Stop adding to the ridiculous hysterics. This isn't some B-grade Science Fiction movie.

I highly doubt it.. but here's a page where you can check if it has yet..

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestr oyedtheworldyet.com/

lol, make sure you check out the source code also :P

I've heard about that. They did it on the 10th.

I don't belive I'm going to die, and even if I was going to die I'd rather live out my last days rather than freaking out during my last moments :]

This reminds too much of the half life series. and everyone stop fucking with particle accelartors and black holes.

All i can say is that people say we are going to die all the time, such as on 6-6-06, but those never happened. It is very easy to say that we wont die based on past experiences. Although, as i respect the people's worries that we are going to utterly die, i dont believe them.

I've said this more times than I want to count: all doomsday theories and conspiracies are false.

That includes the LHC.

There have been many particle-accelerator experiments carried out before the LHC, and there will be many after. None have so far annihilated the world.

If we take the theory of hawking radiation, any black holes created will dissipate before they can do anything.

This is theoretical physics; nobody knows exactly what will happen. This could be the best idea mankind has ever had, for all we know.

Additionally, many of your videos contradict eachother. One of them was even pro-LHC.

The webcam link you posted was also fake, and I've seen it on the forums already.

You're scaring yourself.

Well:

According to STEVEN HAWKING (is that how you spell his name?)
Well he says that,

Black holes will self deteriorate itself, so if a black hole that size (a particle size) it would self deteriorate and dissapear before anything distructive happens.

So if were going to believe something to this scale, it might aswell be steven.

The fact that anything bad was going to happen was made up by a group of scienctists that have less field knowlage than the more experienced scienctists who are saying nothing will happen.

And thus, the internet/media got a hold of this info, and always went to the bad side of it.
And they have only smashed 1 particle so far.

and their starting to smash protons in october.

Alright, I'm basing my opinions on things I have heard, and I'm a natural sceptic, so bear with me. First off, I'm tired of people screaming about how we are all going to die. It's possibe that all the black hole hype was created by some jumped up teens, and it spread from there into the global worry it is today, with little basis on fact.

Secondly, Black holes and stranglets sound like the same thing, pretty much. Also, no-one has ever even seen a black hole, black holes are JUST A THEORY. That's all they are. Just like stranglets, just a theory based on shaky observations. They may exist, or there may be something else.

Thirdly, if the scientists discovered something that WOULD kill us all, chances are they would at least leave the team, since killing all of humanity is not a desirable thing to have on your resume.

Fourthly, it's just hype, probably. I heard people saying that we were all going to die when it was turned on. I'm not dead yet. I hear people going on about infinite energy sources, but that gets no media coverage.
I hear people going on about Global Gay Warming, and how we're all going to die, when in actual fact, the icecaps are slightly thicker this year than last year, and the temperatures are averaging out.

My point is that I've heard so much media hype that I find it really hard to believe that something a group of scientists created over the course of twenty years to discover more about the big bang, which is in itself just a theory, will kill us all by creating a black hole. When the universe was created, I assume that there was not just a black hole. Maybe there is one at the center of the universe, which will suck us all in at the proverbial end of time.

MAYBE we are just someone elses hadron collider experiment. What if we end up creating an entirely nec universe?
Or what if we discover a bunch of vaugley useful particles?
What if we discover how to cure stupidity?
What if we discover nothing new?

These are all possibilities, soe of them more likely than creating a black hole. Therefore I can conclude that we are not going to die by the end of the year. Hell, the haydron may even give us immortality, but I doubt it.

The day we die, I'm gonna scream "OH SHI-" *dead*

It saddens me that millions of euros, that could be used to feed/educate/heal millions of people, are instead used in a scientific experiment that might or might not destroy it all.

Of course, Dubai's spendings make me even sadder (search it in wikipedia and you'll probably understand me)

oddly enough as much as this scares me
I am thinking of the half life universe and what happened when someone started messing with certain things. Its scary yes, but I am worried about more things other then black holes.

I think a internet petition should be made...
Not that it would stop them but It would work if at least say 1/5 of the world objected

Cool.

Mmm, yes. Although I doubt that the LHC will find the Higgs Boson particle, or destroy the earth, I do believe that it will create the most spectacular laser light show that six billion dollars can buy.

I seriously doubt it will do anything good or bad for the people themselves, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're wrong, and maybe the scientists are wrong. Perhaps they will find the God Particle, and everything will be fine and in three years they'll create something even larger to explain the questions that will be inevitably raised when the God Particle is discovered. Obviously, they'll have to search for something even more stupendous than what they're searching for now, and we'll be going through this whole big scare again, in say forty or fifty years.

On the other-hand, I can not think of a more elaborate and awesome way to eradicate an entire ecosystem than to stretch every inch of it until it shreds into subatomic particles. In my mind, if I am going to die, I would most definitely want to die in the most amazing way possible; a black hole.

You can't tell me that you don't think dieing in a black hole would be awesome.

Also, TheRealGreenEagle, you are a fool. Black holes have been witnessed in space through the hubble telescope. They are not a theory, they are scientific fact.

Also, from my point of view, you are thinking of a hypothesis, not a theory.

Gravity is just a theory, the fact that the earth is round is a theory, and evolution is a theory. I'm not going to go into a debate on these things with you, I'm just pointing out your mistake.

Black holes are some of the more common astronomical anomalies out there; saying they don't exist is like saying that supernovas don't exist because we've never had one happen in our own system, or that blue stars don't exist because our star is yellow.

In the end, I think I'd be ok about the risk of dying for the pursuit of how the universe works and is created, and although . Suppose those of us who feel that way and don't feel there's much risk should impose this on every one else though.

Also there is an awesome case of I knew about that before everyone else man in one of your responses. "i've been researching it before the media hype or internets" or something along those lines. Made me giggle.

>the problem is THAT ALL THOSE SCIENTISTS THINK THE SAME AS YOU.
they believe that their theory is the truth since everyone believes it

And everybody saying what you are THINK THE SAME AS YOU.Including the scientists.They belive the theroy is true because people like you belive it O.O;

People used to think Pluto was a planet

I do love media hype. In the 80s, we were certain global cooling was going to kill us all. Now we're freaked out about global warming. Y2K was a news circlejerk that made the bottled water, canned food, and bunker business boom. The 2012 theory is full of batshit insane folks yammering on about the Mayans and the switching of the poles. Point being that none of these things happened or will happen. The first video you showed us had Professor Frank Close of Oxford University saying that the chance of this happening was comparable to the chance of winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row. It might happen. The chances of it happening are incredibly slim. Better than the chances that the recent meteor was going to be sucked in by our gravitational pull and destroy us all, and that certainly didn't happen.

dude...your scarying me D:

Wait....In your opinion what do you think is going too happen

"I Only Know That I Dont Know Nothing " Great Words From Aristhoteles or I think another greek pilosopher. That freaking thing its going to kill us with one way or other... if it doesnt kill us like the theory of the black hole or the strangelet it is going to kill us with war beacause is not providing to everybody in the world or other causes are going to be those words anyway everybody just chill out god has an hour for every1 the one that has to die has to die 100% true this ?% the fact that we are goig to die beacause of a black hole or a strangelet

why are they even trying this its dumb but still i think your right.

Oh And I forgot The big bang was made by a SUPER HOT BIG ATOM they cant do thing such as that... or they do?

You'd best be trolling you russian furfag shitwit. The atom bomb was supposed to blow up the earth. 06/06/06 was supposed to be the apocalypse. Also, GLOBAL WARMING.

Just go back to making your dumb games. I find it funny how you can gripe about something like the LHC when your very own flash game uses a similar principle as part of the gameplay.

Its Ironic what tehpistolshrimp said, considering one of my favorite webcomics, Userfriendly, made mention of it being Halflife like, by having one of the physicists in an orange jumpsuit in one of the comics...I'd link it but its buried in the archives at this point

I hope this is satire, but it is so hard to tell.

If a black hole created it will evaporate almost instantly and even if hawking radiation doesn't exist (very close to impossible now) it would take at least millions of years for a black hole that small to consume enough mass to become dangerous.

nu chuvak, ne horosho tak botanov pugat'....

- This experiment does not cause black holes (not small black holes either...).

- The reason for this speculation is that the particles will (maybe) reach the Schwarzschild radius so light emitted from the particle core (which will not happen) can't escape.

- If the black hole is really created, it will vanish immediately anyway - only particles created at this state will be able to be detected.

- Furthermore, the interactions between particles near the speed of light happens all the time in our atmosphere - and guess what; there haven't been any sign of black holes within the Earth's atmosphere...

Rumors were made by
- The people on CERN, claiming that a black hole will appear (without mentioning that it's a lie); if the an object with a Schwarzschild radius is created, it will disappear immedietly
- Those who called a lawsuit against CERN regarding 'Violation Of Human Rights'
- People who like to predict doomsday
- Idiots who have no clue what the LHC experiment is all about and just heard the 'black hole part'

Personal comment/predictions
- The experiement will be an epic fail.
- No results from this experiment will be usable in quantum physics.
- There will be no such thing as 'Higgs' particles.
- There will be no such thing as a 5th dimension (nor 4th dimension).

uuhm yea sure... A blackhole will appear... I don't think these things happen easily.

Since we are trying to do something that the universe takes millions of years to make. So I agree with some others. Nothing will happen.

PS: Nuclear reactors arent blowing up every year right? These have about the same risks as that huge thing can make a blackhole. Same end of the world thing and it hasn't happen. Stop listening to Hippies.

Well... I think best way is to stay cool.
It's like the millenium in 1999. You remeber? Everyone said, in the year 2000 everything ends because Computers will be fucked up and stuff...
No everyone yells theories of black holes and stuff...
I'm going to do same thing as I did at the 31' Dezember 1999... Nothing ^^
Even if you worrie, you can't do anything against... not as one person

So ^^
I think it's just another story telled by newspapers and scientists (who want themself to be famous) to worry some people :)

loool so this is where all our taxes go ? I vote beating the shit out of the idiots who came up with this idea and destroying the LHC. I wouldnt mind if even terrorists were involved in destroying that thing. I cant believe how ignorant an educated man can be...And the people who are building it. Is money really above all senses? What does money matter if we're ALL DEAD? I just hope this whole thing some how passes...or sometihng...

Thousands of cosmic particles (with speeds / energies far greater than the ones produced in the LHC) hit our planet every second. We just don't happen to have millions of $ worth of sensors in the exact spots to watch them.
Think having a camera watching this will suddenly make the world die?

People like you who get irrationally afraid of something like this really stop our world moving forwards.

Despite the videos, the post and all the replies i have read, i still don't get why they are doing this. We dont realy need what they are working on...

Well, I am a little afraid now. I don`t now how the hell this fucking works but I debut that it will create a black hole, black holes has never been observed by scientists and, as hawking radiation, they are only a theory. well, we con do nothing now but to wait and pray.

P.S.
Sorry for the bad spelling I am mexican

Hey, while your fears are valid (i about shat myself the first time i heard about this crazy thing) just chill. Humanity has had one helluva run. what is it now 20k years or something like that? Anyways, while i wish they'd stop this experiment till we know for certain what will happen, i know they won't. Maybe somebody will attack it or something.

Remember this though they said that the big bang and the black hole or what ever things were just a THEORY(for science launguage its a GUESS) and the chances as they said is a Million to 1 or like a grain of sand hitting a mine in antartica and blowing it up

:O the apocalypse is finally coming? i thought i wouldnt come until 2011. did you know the Maya predicted that the world would end at December Something, 2011? i wonder if this will truly end humanity.

also, Taloc111, the chances of that happening are more likely to be a Quintillion to One. :D

The day the world ends is the day pigs can fly, horses talk, and monkeys suddenly developing a nuclear warhead without help from humanity. This is also revelant cause it involves giant flying flamingos coming from Pluto :D

You have to be joking. This HAS to be a joke. I think you need to read 'A brief history of time' about 4 more times. Your understanding of black holes is frightning.

You can't just watch a bunch of YouTube videos, and read a hand full of Wikipedia articles and suddenly become a astrophysicist. Its just plane stupidity when you panic over something you don't even come CLOSE to understanding.

Thanks to the fundamentals of black holes, (witch can be backed up by observation and mathematics), the smaller the black hole, the shorter its life. Black Holes don't grow. You don't feed them matter and watch them get bigger, they consume mass, and evaporate, that's why we cal them singularities. They do things that don't make scene to us, but just because we don't understand why, doesn't mean at any section its likely to show us something we have NEVER observed, where all or mathematics and observation are proven wrong in an instant, and a black hole for the first time in recorded history, grows and consumes the earth.

Don't you understand that if black holes worked the way you think they do, that our univers would have been consumed long before the earth coalesced?

The problem is, human nature is to fear what we do not understand. Its big, its powerful, and you could never in your lifetime fully understand how it works, so you are afraid of it. You latch on to these 'what if' ideas and demand that the evil machine of death be stopped.

Stop your pointless crusade and go spend a few years in collage learning the fundamentals upon witch you base your opinion. Yes, because of the money spent, its not going to be stopped , but don't you think they thought of the dangers years before the construction began? They didn't start out with no idea what was going on.

When a scientist says "we have no idea what will happen when we turn it on." He doesn't mean it literally. We have many ideas of what it will do, but we don't know witch will occur specifically. We know what most likely will happen, but the chances of your particle death scenario are less of a risk than the chance of sudden death from Asteroid impact. Actually, its about 900,000 times more likely that between now and the moment the reactor turns on, a huge chunk of ice and rock from the Kyper belt comes crashing into the earth, but I don't see people like you protesting that we need to watch more of the sky for space rocks.

Science can cure your diseases, and insure your stable life, and still you do not trust it. Science can give you the computer upon witch you type your madness, and still yet, you do not trust it. Science has propagated our species since the stone age, and yet, you still fight it, you still fear it, you still want to do away with these damn people and their damn questions and go back to sitting in silence, never questioning the world around you.

I read and watched everything you have in your post, and I feel I responded to it as a whole, and now you'll pick one little part out of my response, and respond with a tid bit of 'fact' from above and walk away feeling satisfied.

The bottom line is, you need to have a little more trust in those who seek to better our world. You trust your leaders more than scientists, and no leader of any country is required to attend ANY sort of formal education before election.

"They say that the energies involved in the experiment are less then two mosquitoes colliding, that is a stupid explanation for stupid people. Mosquitoes don't smash into each other at the speed of light."

This, right here proves your lack of understanding of physics. The mosquitoes don't have to travel at eh speed of light to have the same energy as subatomic particles travelling at (nearly) the speed of light.
Let's look at it in terms of momentum, and using made up units of measurement, because it's very simple this way.
Momentum = Velocity x Mass
The particle has a mass of 1 mass unit (mu), and a velocity of 1 000 000 000 velocity units (vu).
The mosquitoe has a mass of 1000 000 000 mu, and a velocity of 1 vu.
particle momentum = 1mu x 1 000 000 000vu = 1 000 000 000 muvu
mosquitoe momentum = 1 000 000 000mu x 1vu = 1 000 000 000muvu
So, particle momentum = mosquitoe momentum
And since the momentum is directly proportionate to the kinetic energy collisions inlove equal energy.

Also, the vast majority of scientists agree that it's incredibly likely that nothing involving a blackhole destroying the planet will happen. The exception being that one guy with the flawed logic, lack of understanding of the physics involved, and the immense desire to be on TV. I'm starting to wonder if you read all the links you provided.

If you're so sure it's going to end the world, why aren't you planning to blow it up? If you understand it as well as you claim you do, you know that blowing it up won't have negative effects like destoying, say, the H-Bomb would have. Then answer is either that you value your own life over everyone else on the planet and believe that if you're not alive there's no point in having an Earth anyway, or that you don't really believe it and you get off scaring idiots.

I'm going to laugh at you a year from now when the world hasn't ended.

From what I've read the staff say that blackholes are not only unlikely, but also harmless.

The flat Earth thing is a common misconception. Pretty much ever since there was science the Earth has been known as round. The ancient Greeks knew.

I think anyone weighing the importance of keeping their job and destroying the planet would choose to lose their job.

It also bothers me that all the critics reach the same conclusion but take a different path there, while all the proponents take the same path to the same conclusion. If you ask 100 people who think the collider will destroy the planmet why, you're likely to get dozens of answers. But ask 100 people what they thinik will happen that does not involve destruction of the planet, and they'll tell you the same thing.

You're doing exactly what Nanashi said you would do. You're only responding to parts of the comments. Tell me whether you're going to blow up the LHC or that you're just messing with people.

Why do people make websites explaining why the LHC will destroy the planet, and launch baseless lawsuits, instead of destroying the thing themselves? If I believed something was going to destroy the planet I'd sacrifice myself to stop it. Wouldn't everybody?

"Umm.. srsly dude.. are you high? You cant just go to other country and destroy stuff there. Especially if it is9 999 999 999$ expensive stuff."

So, if you do nothing the world ends. If you destroy the LHC, in 100 years or whatever, science proves that the LHC would have destroyed the planet and you are a hero. Which option do you prefer?

And don't give me any of that impossible crap. When the fate of the world is at stake, and you truly believe that, you find a way.

Someone else tried to answer my previous comment with a pm yesterday , but it wasn't good enough. He wont reply either, so i am still clueless about why they do this.

Also, i saw the facility on the news yesterday about the testing being succesfull. Though, the report was short. As if they werent aware of, or didnt want to tell about these risks.

I like it, deleting my comment about the true nature of this post :)

For other readers, notice how he hooks people in with an apocalyptic message, only to advertise his games first.

Incidentally, I'm willing to bet that in our solar-system alone we have at least 1 collision between particles at WAY over 2Tev at least every minute... Why aren't there any black holes around us after millions of years of this?

LHC can't create such black holes, but this is incredibly good for the media.

Please answer this question...
-Why should mankind be able to create a black holes that will suck up earth, and in those 4.5billion years earth existed a black hole was never created. There are much larger forces when particles from the sun collide with the atmosphere.

Other than that I liked the webcam^^, and your game momentum missile 3 is plain awesome! Make a game with black holes, I'm sure you're able to do so.

And one more question...If you think you're gonna die in less than a year, why make flash games anyway?^^

Just don't worry. If this were possible like that it would aready have happend. (see above)

Please use your time for making awesome games than wasting it for posts like this.

Thanks :)

Well I must say you have done your research and you at least have some scientific backing to your theories. Also, whoever is complaining about your spelling, should die, because: A. you are Russian (which is AWESOME), and B. your grammar and word usage clearly shows that you are intelligent, more so than the people complaining about your spelling. Now heres where I disagree with you. Do you honestly beleive that humans could make something like a blackhole? Even with the skeptical evidence the chances are nonexistant, and Hawking Radiation almost definitly exists. They have already tested the LHC and as far as im concerned, im not dead yet. These people are scientists, and nobody else but them is qualified to say if it will kill us or not. They said it wont, so Im going to trust these people because for their entire lives they have studied this and there are multiple, so the margin for error is next to zero. You can spend your time worrying about this, but I think that there are much more worrysome topics out there and the infantismal possibility of a black hole killing us all is a non issue. Nobody is going to die from this. Its just that simple.

You misunderstand me, with the sheer number of high energy particles whizzing about in space, odds are that there must be *some* head-on collisions between particles at way over 14TeV. Surely in the last few millions years we have had more than a few of these very close to Earth, yet we are still here.
There is no reason to think that we will be doing anything that hasn't naturally occurred already.

well, the machine is not going to kill us, it has been on for a while now and im still not dead.

Hey,we are NOT going to die;They confirmed that a black hole could be created if these 3 events happen in the following order:
1.A micro black hole lasts longer than 10 seconds
2.It moves to the center of the Earth
3.It fuses with Earths core
Anyway,this couldn't happen because:
1.The experiment is done in a vacuum
2.the minor black hole would be obliterated by the photons

Well I must say you share some very convincing arguments, but if you are going to make claims like this, im going to pose a question just as mysterious. Has anyone ever entered a black hole? Even if the LHC DOES make a black hole, that doesnt gaurentee our death, for we have no idea where black holes go. Also if you are going to say that Hawking Radiation is a myth and people just SAY that it exists, you also can throw out other scientific theories just because alot of people SAY they exist too. Black holes when it comes down to it, are just theories, and creating one might not kill us because its all just theory.

In other words, the only way to provide evidence on the LHC creating black holes is to conveniently ignore certain crucial scientific theories.
On a more pesimistic veiw: It would be a quick and painless death anyway, and to the organized mind, death is just the next great adventure.
ON a realistic veiw: This isnt going to happen. Black holes exitst, but this VERY expensive machine (prehaps too much was spent on it, yes) will not make a black hole, and even if it does, it will dissappear. This is fact.

Lastly, just some clarifitcation. So you beleive that these people have either A. created some diabolical plan to destroy the world with a black hole generator (which would be a prity sick-awesome idea ;p ) or B. they spent ALOT of money on it and now realize that it will kill us all but still want to go through with it. Either way, I HIGHLY doubt it.

haha i kno a friend that has his birthday on the first day of the lhc operaton. that would be funny if u died on your birthday. very ironic.

anyway.. pretty serious stuff here, now i guess i cant play mmm games for the next year.

Fuck u LHC u ruined my free time on the computer!

We're not goin to die because of this experiment. it is perfectly safe to do it, even the "A black hole will suck us kill us and kick our asses" theory is false. there IS a possibility that black holes are created, and black holes have already been created by this experiment, the only thing that happens is the black hole starts to spit particles like crazy and then disappears. AND also, nobody knows what a black hole really does, as no one has ever been close enough to study one, and black holes don't suck like a vacuum cleaner, it's just that they have enough gravity to stop time! and they don't grow, so if you stay far enough from it, you won't die. and you can perfectly make an orbit around the black hole without being sucked!

PS: I'm sticki's sister, so don't think he's contradicting himself... we even had a huuge fight about this hehe

>>We're not goin to die because of this experiment.
>said some 13 years old kid who doesn't know what he/she is talking about...

That girl is older than 13 in the first place, and she has some sources from which she can be almost sure we're not going to die because a 23 year old kid says so.

>>and black holes have already been created by this experiment
>not true

They have!

>>AND also, nobody knows what a black hole really does, as no one has ever been close enough to study one
>That totally contradicts your statement about the safety of experiment.

I'm just making it clear that we can't be making this kind of theories, and that i'ts more possible that we don't die...

>>and black holes don't suck like a vacuum cleaner,
>How do they suck?

The whole point is they don't!
>>it's just that they have enough gravity to stop time!
>That depends on the point of observation... its a lot more complicated than that. And this has nothing to do with the topic

It has everything to do with this topic! you're saying u're afraid of black holes 'cause they'll suck the world an we're going to die, I'm just explaining what black holes really are, and that is, a really heavy point of mass, like I said before, you can orbit around a black hole if you're far enough from it, just like we are orbiting the sun and the moon is orbiting around the earth.

>>and they don't grow, so if you stay far enough from it, you won't die.
>micro blackholes might, no one knows

Does the earth grow when you stand on it?

PS: I've got one more reason to think the world's not gonna end.
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>>
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>>>> THIS VERY SAME THING HAPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY IN OUR VERY SAME ATMOSPHERE AND AT AN EVEN HIGHER SPEED! . and... are we dead?? nooooo!
the only whole I know of in the atmosphere is the one in the ozone cape, and we're not goin to die because of it.

If i'm really wasting your time, why do you keep answering me?
ok, so i'm sorry i wasted your time, it's great you're defending your theory, but there is no reason for you to be in that total hostility plan, and maybe you should open your mind a bit, be more optimistic and accept what other people tell you... as you can never be completely sure of the truth.
bye!!

i have heard so many danm end of the world bull i just say let it happen all ready like cmon man i have heard we are spose to die at these dates
1.06//06/06
2.2000
3.2006
4.yours 2009
5. and lastly 2012
it hasnt happened on the first 3 why start now

right... so you cant answer any comment in a friendly way? can't you accept what other people think?
Just to make it clear, i did read your post, and i also read some of the comments you answered, and if one thing is clear for me, is that your knowledge in physics is really poor, as you don't even understand the concept of a black hole.
The only danger in the experiment i see, is that it sucks up too many electricity, and that's not precisely good for global warming. but apart from that, you could walk inside the machine and nothing would happen to you, as long as you're not a charged object.
Do you even know what they are looking for? They're not doing this to see what happens, they want to FIND a particle that they've been looking for a long time!
I think you're one of those people who said the world would end on 2000 and on 2006 because of the Antichrist and that kind of bullshit... you just want to scare everyone!
For me, if the world ends, good for you, you got what you wanted, but i wont stop working for my future or even get depressed because lot's of people say I'm gonna die because of a fucking experiment. You said it, majorities are not always right and i'm not gonna let them convince me when all the evidence points the other way, and you just blind yourself so you don't see what's really going on.
Good luck and good night!

Oh shit!That is scary.What has science done!?Also it could just open up a portal to furry land.Then we would die from furry rape.Also You need to add the gravity launcher thingy back into MMM3 the one from the other two games.

SHIT SHIT SHIT! OAH OAH OAH OAH OAH.Yeah that old The King is no match for The Gannon.

Crap...now i have to accomplish everything i ever wanted to do in a year...

I said that to remind you what you had already said.

And maybe you should start knowing the difference on being defensive and being desperate.... its incredible how you keep defending this theory when it's not even yours and everyone can tell you anything to make you see what's going on and you don't open your eyes.

Sounds to me you've just listened to the CERN scientists... maybe you should listen to other peoples opinions.

i don't know if I'm getting this... you keep defending them in your post and im your answers to my comments... but you think they're wrong?
Maybe you should make yourself clear... many people besides me may not understand.

I AM FREAKING LMAO AND AT THE SAME TIME I AM FREAKING SCARED...
REASONS:
IM DIYING OF LAUGH BEACAUSE ALL THE DUMBASSES POSTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ONLY READS THE POST NAME AND THE FIRST TWO LINES.
I AM FREAKING SCARED BEACAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN... (WHO KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? NO ONE!)

A lil' question... When they are going to turn on that devilish machine?
(srry fr the spelling i am from guatemala and I speak spanish) thanks if some1 answers... BYE!

Im not entirelysure about this, there was the "we are all gonna die in the year 2000", that never happened, the world was also supposed to end 6/6/06, it didn't, the world was also supposed to end sometime in march, and then theres the 2012 thing, you might wanna wait until there is some definitive proof that this thing could destroy the world before telling everyone on newgrounds, i know from experience everyone here takes things way too seriously.

For example, see the message above my first one.

1. I like the inclusion of cyriak's "webcams" you have a link to ; ). Cyriak is great.
2. You truly are a worthy debator, but in the end the burden of proof lies with you. You have yet to disprove top scientists from around the world on their decision that the LHC is safe. Do you honestly beleive that these scientists would become SO crazy that they would destroy the world just because they spent so much time and money on it? These people are scientists, not people with bi-polar disorder. Although I think that the money spent on this could have gone to other projects of greater importance, the information gathered from these experiments could unlock all new kinds of technologies. Something like this cannot be shut down just because of the insignificant posibility of a black hole. These scientists at CERN have created the internet that we are currently using, along with many other advancements. I am going to trust them, along with many other scientists that concur with CERN's statement that a black hole is not a possible danger. The scientists that are against it have as much credibility as a paranormal investigator. The buren of proof lies on you.
3. The dicusions on this page are fasinating, but there are some comments that are depressingly rude and stupid.

Well...
Hmmm...
I just dont know what to say.
Firstly, noone is sure, how the experiment will end.
Maybe, a black hole will be created and it'll destroy the entire planet.
But the worst thing is that we cant do anything about that.
Fortunately, if it happens, I'll die fast, cause I live in Austria.
(LOL) ...no, not LOL, there is nothing funny in the destruction of the mankind.

Whats sad about it is that in other countries some nuclear atomic power factories have retards working there who can easily overload a computer "don't push that button!!!Dx" and ruin a fuckng county for 100 years.The guys who do this only get about 10 years in prison :S
it's funny how national geographic makes it look like "Nuking shit -a quick source for energy ftw :D-"Have you ever watched the Simpsons? I think Homer Simpson has a subliminal message,since he does work ,bustin atoms for a living and stuff.Wanna know what that secret from Homer Simpson is?Here I'll tell you......
"mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm burgerrrr"

i agree with you 100%. these scientist know wats going to happen just as much as we do.they have no way of preditidting wats going to happen because its never been done b4. their opening pandora's box. their just exploreing but at the same time risking all of humanity just because they are curious. i feel sorry 4 u haveing all these people belive in all the bullshit these scientist say and then say your stupid and ignorant because u don't belive in the scientist. i think that this has gone way to far and used up 2 much money. i think and hope there not going o find anything in all this. anyways your 1 of the few people i've seen that disagree with all the bullshit these scientist come up with :)

if I get a penny for every time some one says that...

no we cant

theres also something else that could happen. there is a thing called strange matter and if that strange matter becomes "normal" then that matter will act as a black hole does, but instead of condensing the matter it will just change it into more strange matter and even air will be turned to strange matter.

in reply to my other comment above. the discovery of new sciences has always out weighed the conciquences(spelling?) of the way to discovering them. for example the atomic bomb. At the time of its early days there was a mass amount of histaria about it could end the world because of the massive amounts of energy released might have ripped the world apart. the tests were successful and world war 2 ended because of that discovery. granted they killed millions of people but without them the war could have lasted even longer and we might have lost even more people because of it. Getting in the way of discovery is a bad thing, granted the machine is dangerous but the odds of anything happening are like 200 places after the decimal point.

I doubt it. But that video was cool.

so wait a minute... let me get this straight... there spending millions of dollars, risking the world as we know it, just to create a black hole to proove the big bang theory. they should just go with my theory... it all started with a really big bag of chips, holdin thousand of large chips in it, but then the shield hold those chips together ripped, spilling all those chips on the ground, then wind blows them in all different ways, then they get crushed and form balls of flames(they were barbeque flavored) that wre call stars, and all the rest of the flavor turned into what we call gas, and the rest of the chip became tiny space rocks. then each chip was in the form of dementad shapes we call "galaxies"

Well its been like a month since this was posted so i have to say that im impressed that were not already fucked.Anyways when(or if) the world ends go to my userpage and blast your volume to maximum while playing the first 4 videos,trust me you will lose sanity.

Their has been alot of controversy over the LHC and I can't say I'm quite sure why. The LHC is not nearly as destructive as some of the posted videos would suggest, even with some of the higher powered experiments their still only working with a small number of partials, and considering how far underground it is I have trouble understanding how people feel it's threatening humanity.

Let's discuss the black hole theory for start. You see during the development process, one the physicists theorized that it may be theoretically possible for a mini black hole to be created during a partial collision. Another physicist responded saying that if a black hole were created it would theoretically dissipate instantly due to Hawking radiation. So here we are 12 and some odd years later and some how the press got a hold of this black hole idea, suggesting that it may be a potential threat. The thing is Hawking radiation is a very well established theory and has been tested in many small scale experiments. Far more shaky is the theory that a mini black hole could be created by high powered particle collisions or even that they exist at all for that matter. In actuality though both theories are very well established, the black hole phonomina has been created in smaller particle colliers, and in all cases they have dissipated instantly due to Hawking radiation.

But for sake of argument let's assume the worst, lets assume that some how a black hole is created in the LHC, and that for some strange reason it remains in existence despite established theories of Hawking radiation. The thing about black holes though is that they need to maintain a very high state of energy in order to remain in existence, and this is where the law of entropy comes in. As soon as that mini black hole comes into contact with matter it will dissipate it's energy and quickly just turn into regular matter (Actually if a black hole was created the physicists would probably want to keep it for study). Keep in mind black hole has a gravitational field proportional to it's mass; a black hole consisting of only a few partials could never escape containment.

In regards to the "We are all going to DIE" theory let it be know that the earth weights 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000 tons and isn't going anywhere any time soon. Even if you were living directly on top of the thing, that's still over 500,000 tons of earth between you and the LHC. The amount of energy the LHC is working with is very insignificant in comparison to other sources of energy we use here on earth. In the end entropy always wins, any form of energy the LHC emits will be easily dissipated into the earth and any particles it releases will loose all their momentum in the millions of tons of earth between us and the LHC. It's like I said before I really don't understand how some people see this as threat to humanity. The world is not so easily destroyed and the LHC is well contained and remote enough that even if something goes terribly wrong no one will get hurt. If your still not convinced try up some numbers on the amount of power and potential energy that will go into LHC, it's not nearly as much power as you may have been lead to believe.

I hope to god you aren't serious about this.
How can someone who made games SO awesome, be so god damn ignorant about something like this?

:/

Also, those so called "Live Webcams" are a parody.

Lets turn this into a comedy show instead of a place to discuss the LHC!!! =D

My emo friend will be happy when he reads this =) But he wont be happy when I tell him that God will protect us (well maybe =D) )=

I have more pages to add to

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestr oyedtheworldyet.com/,

It is:

http://www.w3schools.com/downloadwww.
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If u watch it long enough it shows a message =D

http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm

Well, all we can hope of is that it ends well. But if we didn't take risks/having wars, there wouldn't be...
* Nuclear
* Jets
* Cars
* Computers
* Etcetera

So, if you hate this, you're actually trying to hold science back. But, there's nothing you can do about this, because, there are people that used up too many truckloads of money and lives (not literally, "gamer" lives). But yeah, this overall is as experimental as nuclear about 50 years back?

Most likely Fake , Just like the Y2k , People have claimed that the world will end in 20012 also they probably all fake unless theirs a real 100% very clear proof.

50 bucks says that we'll go on for years before we all disappear.

Hey, It's 2009 and I'm still not dead. Look who's got egg on their faces now.

happy new year!

quote "We are all going to DIE before the end of this year. "

srry but we diddent :)

I AM STILL ALIVE AND IT WORKS GOOD

New crap for yaa!!!

ok my new theory is that a black hole is a concentration of mater in ONE POINT
but mater can't be created soooo a black hole has just the gravity of the object that created it. Sooo now I ask you: which thing has more mater in it: the Earth or a hadron??? I'll answer forts ya: The Earth. Soooo the Earth has more gravitational pull than a hadron-size black hole.
This lead me into this conclusion: A mini-black hole would not suck the Earth.

O, and before you tell me about strangelets are a THEORY!!!

All of this was found in fisics book by stephen hawkings called the univers in a nut.

There was actually a rumor that the world would end within a week after that thing was finished in my school....

Btw: Vy rok or something

Aw crap i messed that up a little.. I mean that there was a rumor in my school and not that the thing was finished there

Desu!

Since this is going to be quite a large comment i just hope you are not already too sick of agressive comments from people who are more interested in spreading their own unqualified opinion than in the issue itself, which, no matter if one shares your opinion or not, definitely is very, very serious.
I'd like to give comments on different points of view, some of them have already been reflected by other submissions so please dont be upset if you read something you have already written about a couple of the times. Furthermore im German, so my grammar and spelling are probaly not better than yours.

How dangerous is the LHC, alone and in comparison to other, 'natural' phenomena?
This question is the core of the debate, not surprising since it may be a reason to fear for your life. I don't think it is possible to just say "It will kill us all" or "No worries, it's nothing to fear", and the fact that not even the most brilliant and specialised scientist of this planet all have the same opinion about what could/will happen makes this a hard issue to debate for people without their knowledge of the physical background.
Most predictions of the procedures inside the LHC are based on other theories, the existence of black holes for example has not been proven but just been predicted to by scientists who see them as the only way the formulas they believe to be true could be used in outer space. They were pretty much bending the universe around their formulas, not the other way 'round. They are not even sure what the Hadrons they speed up in the LHC really are. It really is like a bunch of kids playing with a box, shaking and rattling it to find out what may be in it.
On one hand, according to most of the predictions the probability of a fatal reaction destroying all earth and humanity is lower than the probability of a supernova of our sun within this year, practically impossible. But on the other hand it still IS possible and who cares if the odds were sooooo good if there's no one left to think about it?
In general the whole LHC project is, as well as most other terribly expensive projects, not only expandable but a huge misinvestment of a couple of rich and influential politicians and scientists pretending to know exactly what they are doing. You could (re)built the infrastructure of a whole third-world-country with that money instead of spending it for something that doesn't give us any usable outcome whatsoever.
I agree with you that the LHC project was a mistake and failure right from the beginning even though i dont share the idea of the high risk of being annihilated within this year.
If something should happen anyway and if there is some kind of afterlife, i'd be glad to debate with you about how wrong i was.
Greetings and best wishes to all humanity,
Tyrgaron

well... we're still here lol

holy fucking shit. this post is amazing.

Clearly your theory backfired. The only way we will all die is if two falcon punches collide. but the possibilities of that are impossible

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA you dweeb the world has not ended.

IN YOUR FACE FLANDERS!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

you stupid scaremongering dweeb

Interesting.... we're not dead...

The put it bluntly, you have no idea what you were talking about, these people are the top scientists of the world, but as soon as black holes are mentioned, the first thing that comes to everyone's mind is "ZOMGWE'REALLGONNADIE" If you could understand the exact physics behind the LHC, you would think otherwise.

Also, lets assume for a second you are correct, and a stable black hole did form and started destroying the earth, believe it or not, if the black hole hasn't gotten too big, it COULD be destroyed before it sucked up the whole earth.

the scientists all say "oh, well its impossible for a black hole to form, this is perfectly safe"... untill they start it up and someone in the back says "wait... OH CRAP! I THINK I MESSED UP THAT EQUATION!!!!"

hmmm... lets check the date Thursday OCT 8, 2009. Now let me take alook out side to see if in 2008 the world exploded... it seemes it didnt eh maybe this year or the year after if we're lucky, hell everyone says 2012 will be the big klaboiee so thats the best bet.